1. Throughout this film there is a diverse group of people they interview and use as reliable sources. Some do not have specific biographies during the film, which makes me wonder how credible these people actually are. 2. The soil testings are very confusing in the second film because there was no aluminum in the water tests like there supposedly were in the first film's water tests. 3. The fact that one of their sources explains that allergies, asthma, autism, etc. are caused by the aluminum from chemtrails is just bogus to me. I can't understand why people believe that these natural, but unfortunate, happenings are caused by geoengineering. It's biology, adaptation, evolution, and antibiotic tolerance that are causing worse immune systems. 4. The sources that this film has are not credible, as they only use interviews with people that no one has heard of and websites that are not based on true events. I believe that these films, and others like it, would have more success if the attitude towards chemtrails was more of a "it could be happening" not "it definitely is happening and you can't change my mind" kind of vibe. 5. "Data" is something these people keep referring to when discussing geoengineering evidence, but there is not and scientific data specifically for geoengineering. I do believe there are some types of evidence, but it is not strong enough for a scientific case. 6. The trails in the sky are very interesting and suspicious because what else would they be coming from? Planes do not cross paths as frequent as these time-lapses and images show, which make somewhat of a case, but it's still not something to be radical about. There needs to be more scientific evidence. 7. Climate change, extreme weather, solar dimming, etc. are all important things to understand, but I do not think it is environmentally ethical to blame it all on chemtrails. Chemtrails are not causing climate change, CO2 levels from overuse of fossils fuels are. Why is there no mention of this in either films? To have a realistic and convincing accusation, there needs to be mention of other possible contributing factors to have a broader scope of the situation.
1. Geoengineering may be causing variety of illnesses and conditions. Some of these conditions may include ADD, Autism, and Alzheimers. 2. The military could have deep ties to geoengineering. The military has stated that geoengineering could be more "useful" than the atomic bomb. 3. Another connection between geoengineering and the military are the connections that it has to war. War and weather have interacted since the 1800s, such as in WWII. 4. The weather can change the market share when it comes to farming. These changes can cause hailstones and other changes that can favor some farmers over others. 5. Geoengineering conditions are known to support fungal growth. This can cause destruction on plants and humans. 6. Monsanto has an edge on fighting abiotic stress. They have the power to make drought and other extreme weather-resistant plants. 7. Terminator seeds do not produce other seeds. This means that people must go back to Monsanto every year to buy more, very expensive seeds that are resistant to disaster.
1. Rain levels containing a high amount of aluminum have dramatically increased over the last 5 years, pH levels have also experienced changes 2. Geoengineering has been found to increase instances of Alzheimers, ADD, and autism 3. They say that GE will temporarily warm the planet and then basically reverse that warming by cooling it, but it turns out to not be that simple 4. In the 1990s, the military claimed that GE would be more useful than the atomic bomb - scary! 5. If you can control the weather, you can therefore control where the rain falls and doesn’t fall which in turn controls the agricultural output and revenue 6. Farmers are experiencing conditions that are not able to support their crops unless in a greenhouse where the conditions can more more controlled 7. Monsanto is completely exploiting the weather manipulation and the farmers because Monsanto is a monopoly with the seed supply, making the farmers go to them. Seeds have to be repurchased every year and are very expensive -> environmental injustice!
1: Despite the improved quality of information sources still did not seem very credible. They were talking to people like weatherman and showing just online articles without showing if they are peer reviewed. 2: If one of the leading drives is military why have we not seen more natural disasters on military targets? I feel we would see more use of it in this way rather than what the people were saying where it sounded like we were attacking ourselves. 3: If these are such big military secrets how do these school professors know about it. It just feels all the information is hearsay and i don’t feel that should count as an actual source. 4: Given how often these trails are seen why are we not seeing weather controlling effects every day? It sounds like it is being controlled at all times so why are we not seeing it stopping natural disasters? It sounds like that would be the easiest thing to do with such controlling powers. 5: Why would the government benefit from controlling weather derivatives? I can understand it on an individual level but it is confusing that a government would do this given how they could benefit a lot more by using such things publicly in ways that increase the government's popularity. 6: The video seems quite biased and only seemed to give views from one side of the issue. I think they would have a lot more credibility if they took into account the other side and gave counter points. The only reason I can think they would not do this is because they don’t actually have counterpoints to the information against them. 7: Some of the people felt less like they were being interviewed and more like they were reading off a script. This atleast to me took away some of the impact.
- Increased ozone destruction is a result of geoengineering. Evidence for this claim has been found in the soil which shows artificially increased levels of elements such as aluminum. - Oxides of metals are the primary elements being sprayed and seeded. This is also affecting the health of trees. The pH changes on the forest floor provide evidence that the trees are being affected by these elements that are being sprayed. -Global dimming is occuring. Solar rays are not reaching the planet as they used to. Particulates that have been artificially introduced into our atmosphere affect the solar rays and their ability to reach earth's surface. -Project stormfury was the military's project that attempted to control weather through geoengineering. A meteorologist in the documentary testified his - Aluminum oxide secateurs moisture forming a process in which the arosale particles affect the solar rays similar to greenhouse gasses. - High pressure areas are prime targets for trails because high pressures are stable and relatively still. If you accentuate the high the particulates radiate the heat in the atmosphere. As a storm approaches this technique is used to push away a cold front - HARP radio frequencies - firing radio frequencies - Agent Orange is an example of a project undergone by the United States government post Korean War, in an attempt to control the weather. This was not the start or end of the US trying to control the weather through cloud seeding and geoengineering even though we signed the ENMOD treaty which banned weather modification use during war.
1. War and weather are closely connected, long history of their interactions 2. You can shut down food production 3. “Using the weather as a force multiplier” 4. Started in GE but given to the military so the project could have protection 5. ENMOD treaty would ban weather modification warfare techniques 6. Small input upstream, big in put down stream, work with what's coming 7. If you can forecast climate it is easier to control it 8. “80% of the US Economy is weather sensitive” - James Fleming, Colby College 9. Weather derivatives are betting that there is going to be a weather disaster, insurance 10. Aerosols work both ways by not only trapping sun's rays from getting in but also keeping the already heated area hot 11. Crops are affected by geoengineering 12. GMOs are made to accompany geoengineering and survive drastic weather changes, farmers have become dependent 13. Risk assessments: there is so much damage being done to our environment, food, health, society 14. Alternatives: We could maybe not spray chemicals into the air??? 15. Harder to figure out effects than it is to put them out
1. Profound changes are happening in the sky and therefore on the earth. The skies aren't as blue, the sunlight isn't giving crops what they need to survive. Native plants that should have no issues surviving are dying at rates that are unnatural. 2. Metals cause Asthma, ADD and alzheimer', these ailments are skyrocketing potentially as a result of geoengineering. With these metals showing up in high levels it is unknown what else could happen due to this occurrence. 3. NASA has a patent for the creation of artificial snow storm and rain storms. Articles can be found from China admitting to creating artificial precipitation. This also happened during the Beijing Olympics. Geoengineering was used to prevent rainfall over the stadium. 4. The Pacific Northwest gets an excessive amount of hte fallout from geoengineering spraying. Whenever there is an incoming front, the PNW seeing many planes leaving chemtrails in specific zones. 5. You can use HAARP, Microwave and Radio Frequency to focus these frequencies to control the weather. You do not need particles to be released into the atmosphere to use HAARP. (Using HAARP, hail that is the size of softballs could be created). 6. War and weather are very closely connected. Starting around 1812 as Hannibal had to deal with the snow of the Alps. If you could control the weather, you can give yourself advantages in war. (Weather as a weapon of war). 7. GE lawyers gave the plans to the military, so that they were not responsible for the outcomes of geoengineering. Although, they were still able to give advice. 8. In the 1970s treaty was signed to agree that weather manipulation would NOT be used as a weapon of war. Question. How do we hold the military accountable for their actions and ensure they do not use geoengineering as a weapon of war when they have more power than most?
1. Since more and more contrails or chemtrails have been appearing there has been a major change in PH. This has a major effect on the ecosystem. 2. There has been a loss in blue skies and sun rays. Global dimming is the idea that there has been less sunlight hitting the planet over the past few decades. 3. Many studies have come out saying that geoengineering may actually be heating the climate. During the day these particulates keep the planet cool. However, at night the planet will actually heat because the particulates act a ‘blanket’. 4. The Mid 70s was when geoengineering took off. The process began with controlling how moisture was absorbed and how and where the moisture is released. This has led to more snow and rain than there would be otherwise. 5. Pacific Northwest has seen these affect the most and has been studied the most because of incoming front and air traffic. As well there is way more precipitation. 6. They are marking and surveilling with these contrails. They are able to better understand the weather through marking off these trails. This could be used to understand the weather but also to control the weather. 7. There is a deep connection and history between weather and warfare. Being able to control the weather gives a huge advantage to a country. The air force and the military are trying to do this by utilizing weather modification to eventual weaponization.
1. Rain levels with aluminum have increased drastically over the last 5+ years. There is increased destruction of the ozone. 2. It is devastating plant and tree life. The pH of the forest floor has changed drastically, as much as 10-12x alkaline. 3. Farmers are having trouble growing produce. They showed browning greens and struggling tomato plants. GE has caused decreased food production, and struggling food with bad crops due to an increase in fungal infections. 4. The military in the 1990s said GE could be more useful technology than the atomic bomb. War and weather have long interacted since the 1800s and especially in WWII. 5. According to the film, Alzheimers, ADD & Autism are linked to GE. 6. If you can predict the weather, you can use it to better change the weather and get money through things like the World Bank or investment. By predicting, then you control money in the ag industry by planting the right crops. 7. HAARP is a field of radiofrequency of antennas with over 180 above Earth. This is another way of modifying the weather.
Question: How does GE cause Alzheimers, ADD, or Autism?
1. Throughout this film there is a diverse group of people they interview and use as reliable sources. Some do not have specific biographies during the film, which makes me wonder how credible these people actually are.
ReplyDelete2. The soil testings are very confusing in the second film because there was no aluminum in the water tests like there supposedly were in the first film's water tests.
3. The fact that one of their sources explains that allergies, asthma, autism, etc. are caused by the aluminum from chemtrails is just bogus to me. I can't understand why people believe that these natural, but unfortunate, happenings are caused by geoengineering. It's biology, adaptation, evolution, and antibiotic tolerance that are causing worse immune systems.
4. The sources that this film has are not credible, as they only use interviews with people that no one has heard of and websites that are not based on true events. I believe that these films, and others like it, would have more success if the attitude towards chemtrails was more of a "it could be happening" not "it definitely is happening and you can't change my mind" kind of vibe.
5. "Data" is something these people keep referring to when discussing geoengineering evidence, but there is not and scientific data specifically for geoengineering. I do believe there are some types of evidence, but it is not strong enough for a scientific case.
6. The trails in the sky are very interesting and suspicious because what else would they be coming from? Planes do not cross paths as frequent as these time-lapses and images show, which make somewhat of a case, but it's still not something to be radical about. There needs to be more scientific evidence.
7. Climate change, extreme weather, solar dimming, etc. are all important things to understand, but I do not think it is environmentally ethical to blame it all on chemtrails. Chemtrails are not causing climate change, CO2 levels from overuse of fossils fuels are. Why is there no mention of this in either films? To have a realistic and convincing accusation, there needs to be mention of other possible contributing factors to have a broader scope of the situation.
1. Geoengineering may be causing variety of illnesses and conditions. Some of these conditions may include ADD, Autism, and Alzheimers.
ReplyDelete2. The military could have deep ties to geoengineering. The military has stated that geoengineering could be more "useful" than the atomic bomb.
3. Another connection between geoengineering and the military are the connections that it has to war. War and weather have interacted since the 1800s, such as in WWII.
4. The weather can change the market share when it comes to farming. These changes can cause hailstones and other changes that can favor some farmers over others.
5. Geoengineering conditions are known to support fungal growth. This can cause destruction on plants and humans.
6. Monsanto has an edge on fighting abiotic stress. They have the power to make drought and other extreme weather-resistant plants.
7. Terminator seeds do not produce other seeds. This means that people must go back to Monsanto every year to buy more, very expensive seeds that are resistant to disaster.
1. Rain levels containing a high amount of aluminum have dramatically increased over the last 5 years, pH levels have also experienced changes
ReplyDelete2. Geoengineering has been found to increase instances of Alzheimers, ADD, and autism
3. They say that GE will temporarily warm the planet and then basically reverse that warming by cooling it, but it turns out to not be that simple
4. In the 1990s, the military claimed that GE would be more useful than the atomic bomb - scary!
5. If you can control the weather, you can therefore control where the rain falls and doesn’t fall which in turn controls the agricultural output and revenue
6. Farmers are experiencing conditions that are not able to support their crops unless in a greenhouse where the conditions can more more controlled
7. Monsanto is completely exploiting the weather manipulation and the farmers because Monsanto is a monopoly with the seed supply, making the farmers go to them. Seeds have to be repurchased every year and are very expensive -> environmental injustice!
1: Despite the improved quality of information sources still did not seem very credible. They were talking to people like weatherman and showing just online articles without showing if they are peer reviewed.
ReplyDelete2: If one of the leading drives is military why have we not seen more natural disasters on military targets? I feel we would see more use of it in this way rather than what the people were saying where it sounded like we were attacking ourselves.
3: If these are such big military secrets how do these school professors know about it. It just feels all the information is hearsay and i don’t feel that should count as an actual source.
4: Given how often these trails are seen why are we not seeing weather controlling effects every day? It sounds like it is being controlled at all times so why are we not seeing it stopping natural disasters? It sounds like that would be the easiest thing to do with such controlling powers.
5: Why would the government benefit from controlling weather derivatives? I can understand it on an individual level but it is confusing that a government would do this given how they could benefit a lot more by using such things publicly in ways that increase the government's popularity.
6: The video seems quite biased and only seemed to give views from one side of the issue. I think they would have a lot more credibility if they took into account the other side and gave counter points. The only reason I can think they would not do this is because they don’t actually have counterpoints to the information against them.
7: Some of the people felt less like they were being interviewed and more like they were reading off a script. This atleast to me took away some of the impact.
- Increased ozone destruction is a result of geoengineering. Evidence for this claim has been found in the soil which shows artificially increased levels of elements such as aluminum.
ReplyDelete- Oxides of metals are the primary elements being sprayed and seeded. This is also affecting the health of trees. The pH changes on the forest floor provide evidence that the trees are being affected by these elements that are being sprayed.
-Global dimming is occuring. Solar rays are not reaching the planet as they used to. Particulates that have been artificially introduced into our atmosphere affect the solar rays and their ability to reach earth's surface.
-Project stormfury was the military's project that attempted to control weather through geoengineering. A meteorologist in the documentary testified his
- Aluminum oxide secateurs moisture forming a process in which the arosale particles affect the solar rays similar to greenhouse gasses.
- High pressure areas are prime targets for trails because high pressures are stable and relatively still. If you accentuate the high the particulates radiate the heat in the atmosphere. As a storm approaches this technique is used to push away a cold front
- HARP radio frequencies - firing radio frequencies
- Agent Orange is an example of a project undergone by the United States government post Korean War, in an attempt to control the weather. This was not the start or end of the US trying to control the weather through cloud seeding and geoengineering even though we signed the ENMOD treaty which banned weather modification use during war.
1. War and weather are closely connected, long history of their interactions
ReplyDelete2. You can shut down food production
3. “Using the weather as a force multiplier”
4. Started in GE but given to the military so the project could have protection
5. ENMOD treaty would ban weather modification warfare techniques
6. Small input upstream, big in put down stream, work with what's coming
7. If you can forecast climate it is easier to control it
8. “80% of the US Economy is weather sensitive” - James Fleming, Colby College
9. Weather derivatives are betting that there is going to be a weather disaster, insurance
10. Aerosols work both ways by not only trapping sun's rays from getting in but also keeping the already heated area hot
11. Crops are affected by geoengineering
12. GMOs are made to accompany geoengineering and survive drastic weather changes, farmers have become dependent
13. Risk assessments: there is so much damage being done to our environment, food, health, society
14. Alternatives: We could maybe not spray chemicals into the air???
15. Harder to figure out effects than it is to put them out
1. Profound changes are happening in the sky and therefore on the earth. The skies aren't as blue, the sunlight isn't giving crops what they need to survive. Native plants that should have no issues surviving are dying at rates that are unnatural.
ReplyDelete2. Metals cause Asthma, ADD and alzheimer', these ailments are skyrocketing potentially as a result of geoengineering. With these metals showing up in high levels it is unknown what else could happen due to this occurrence.
3. NASA has a patent for the creation of artificial snow storm and rain storms. Articles can be found from China admitting to creating artificial precipitation. This also happened during the Beijing Olympics. Geoengineering was used to prevent rainfall over the stadium.
4. The Pacific Northwest gets an excessive amount of hte fallout from geoengineering spraying. Whenever there is an incoming front, the PNW seeing many planes leaving chemtrails in specific zones.
5. You can use HAARP, Microwave and Radio Frequency to focus these frequencies to control the weather. You do not need particles to be released into the atmosphere to use HAARP. (Using HAARP, hail that is the size of softballs could be created).
6. War and weather are very closely connected. Starting around 1812 as Hannibal had to deal with the snow of the Alps. If you could control the weather, you can give yourself advantages in war. (Weather as a weapon of war).
7. GE lawyers gave the plans to the military, so that they were not responsible for the outcomes of geoengineering. Although, they were still able to give advice.
8. In the 1970s treaty was signed to agree that weather manipulation would NOT be used as a weapon of war.
Question. How do we hold the military accountable for their actions and ensure they do not use geoengineering as a weapon of war when they have more power than most?
1. Since more and more contrails or chemtrails have been appearing there has been a major change in PH. This has a major effect on the ecosystem.
ReplyDelete2. There has been a loss in blue skies and sun rays. Global dimming is the idea that there has been less sunlight hitting the planet over the past few decades.
3. Many studies have come out saying that geoengineering may actually be heating the climate. During the day these particulates keep the planet cool. However, at night the planet will actually heat because the particulates act a ‘blanket’.
4. The Mid 70s was when geoengineering took off. The process began with controlling how moisture was absorbed and how and where the moisture is released. This has led to more snow and rain than there would be otherwise.
5. Pacific Northwest has seen these affect the most and has been studied the most because of incoming front and air traffic. As well there is way more precipitation.
6. They are marking and surveilling with these contrails. They are able to better understand the weather through marking off these trails. This could be used to understand the weather but also to control the weather.
7. There is a deep connection and history between weather and warfare. Being able to control the weather gives a huge advantage to a country. The air force and the military are trying to do this by utilizing weather modification to eventual weaponization.
Question: How do we not allow companies who are profiting off of weather disasters to modify the weather?
Delete1. Rain levels with aluminum have increased drastically over the last 5+ years. There is increased destruction of the ozone.
ReplyDelete2. It is devastating plant and tree life. The pH of the forest floor has changed drastically, as much as 10-12x alkaline.
3. Farmers are having trouble growing produce. They showed browning greens and struggling tomato plants.
GE has caused decreased food production, and struggling food with bad crops due to an increase in fungal infections.
4. The military in the 1990s said GE could be more useful technology than the atomic bomb. War and weather have long interacted since the 1800s and especially in WWII.
5. According to the film, Alzheimers, ADD & Autism are linked to GE.
6. If you can predict the weather, you can use it to better change the weather and get money through things like the World Bank or investment. By predicting, then you control money in the ag industry by planting the right crops.
7. HAARP is a field of radiofrequency of antennas with over 180 above Earth. This is another way of modifying the weather.
Question: How does GE cause Alzheimers, ADD, or Autism?